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werehound



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PostSubject: harassment   Sun Sep 20 2009, 04:52

El gabardine repeatedly killed me using Element Crystals, Spawning monsters, running them to me, and logging.

He'd Cast level 9 bigby on me, spawn mosnters and kill me.

When people would Hand him, or disable him, to try to tlak to him, he'd relog, get his spells back, and do the same stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Sun Sep 20 2009, 07:02

Dark reported to me that relogging doesn't restore spells? Is relogging restoring spells now?

As for harassment, I don't know why players have to resort to that sort of crap. The server rules are abundantly clear. He must have been having a very bad day, because he's a long term player in good standing. Are you willing to give him a break this time?

Spawn killing (spawning monsters and drawing them to other players) is definitely not in the spirit of polite game play. Same thing with using spells to immobilize other players when they are in combat with monsters.

Using crystals in PvP is OK. So is using every other item/ability the game allows, but there's a limit to even that. If you keep attacking a player who clearly isn't in your league (not saying that was the case here) to screw up their play, then that's going too far.

Some things just can't be spelled out in black and white, hence our ever evolving and expanding law. I wish I could write code to make people behave within the restraints of a civil society, but it would take all my time and probably wouldn't be possible. That's one of the reasons the Knight Templar guild was eliminated, because I kept writing and rewriting code to try to put restrictions on the module's law enforcers.

Let me know if anyone continues to have problems with other players.
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Sun Sep 20 2009, 14:22

Sarah the DM wrote:
Using crystals in PvP is OK. So is using every other item/ability the game allows, but there's a limit to even that. If you keep attacking a player who clearly isn't in your league (not saying that was the case here) to screw up their play, then that's going too far.
Oh really?? IS it ok???
SO answer me one thing.... why have you changed boom sticks so they don't work on other players if the elemental sticks do exactly the same thing... bs???
All elemental sticks do is make you loose xp if its used on other players, its just like when i used boom sticks to kill your v nasty and grabbed his gold. It's the same situation with elemental sticks. Therefore you're not going to tell me its a right thing to so since you changed boom sticks so it doesnt work on players.
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Sun Sep 20 2009, 14:29

Yesterday night I log on affter long time and you know what i see?? people breaking the rules like they want.
Eddie Van Arrow running through dragon wastes not killing pirates nor dragons.
Hidding behind a rock so Rainbow can't get to him and is standing still. Therefore he's easy target to pick on with the arrows.
Using elemental crystals on other players when he can't take care of them himself.(he is/was the first one to attack other players)
Logging off if he's almost dead after challenging other players.

With elemental crystals its the same thing when i was using boom stick on v nasty. so you're not going to tell me its ok to do so because you changed boom sticks so it doesnt work on the players anymore. Crystals are even more dangerous than a boom stick.(when used on the player it makes you loose xp and leave a loot with half your gold)
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Sun Sep 20 2009, 15:28

Boom sticks were originally meant to be like Ash's boom stick--used to destroy undead and evil planar creatures (demons and whatnot). There was some development involved, in that I made them effective against evil creature and toyed with the amount of damage until I felt I had the right setup. However, they are specifically designed to do maximum damage against undead. I suppose they should be written to do extreme damage against pale masters, too, since this module treats pale masters as undead. I consider it an error that boom sticks were ever effective to any great extent against fellow players. Consider where the concept for "boom stick" came from. They weren't supposed to be a PvP weapon.

None of this has anything to do with the crystals. The crystals act pretty much as they were intended from the start. The only changes there were damage adjustments.

So what's the big deal here? Why are some players torqued off?
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Sun Sep 20 2009, 16:04

that's because boom sticks do so much damage it can kill players in one go making them loose xp and leave a loot. I'll also add that it's aoe effect witch means you can kill a group of players and than rob them off of their loots or even pp if they stay dead. Now you just tell me if it is fair. People with best gear from d16 using sticks to do that because even the best items does not help them fight players that doesn't have these items.

Lets make a situation where a group of 3 players play together in a dungeon when a naughty, sneaky thief comes in and uses one crystal to kill them all off, make them loose exp, steal their loot and even pp their dead body. (if they haven't respawned yet.)NOTE: kills from elemental sticks are considered monster kills. it doesnt make a thrower murderer if he/she kills someone with a stick
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Sun Sep 20 2009, 16:25

I looked at the coding for the crystals. Nothing in the module should be a foolproof way of defeating other players, so I lowered the damage substantially against players. It's unchanged versus creatures. I still need to find out why someone who murders someone with one of the crystals doesn't get the blame.
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Mon Sep 21 2009, 10:59

I think script to stop players from logging in a fight would stop this logging to save form dieing. Maybe a call check to see if they are in combat added to exit script . If in a fight and they log it treats as a instant death. Costing 1\2 gp and 5,000 xp . players would think again before doing it as much. Just an idea please consider it and adjust fines to show how you dislike it .

Thank you sarah your right I have never seen el do that to a player in all my years here .

Oh and wow doesnt this sound like the same crying he did when dark stoped him from pp ing players empty !
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Mon Sep 21 2009, 11:22

Same here Gomez, El has always been a great player, keeps to self a lot and helps anyone that needs it. I have NEVER seen him act this way before.

Good idea Gomez, I think this would stop alot of. . . well what they call death loggers from logging off in combat. bom
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Mon Sep 21 2009, 11:35

Oh and I went in d3 to test the relogging to restore spells and used all combat spells in combat, logged off and back and spells was restored.
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Mon Sep 21 2009, 11:40

I have a good idea lets just get rid of everything in the server and run around in our panties and kill each other . No more spells just hand to hand , then maybe we could make everyone happy and that way it would be fair.
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Mon Sep 21 2009, 12:07

affraid might die from the tears! Razz
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Mon Sep 21 2009, 21:16

DarkSky wrote:
Same here Gomez, El has always been a great player, keeps to self a lot and helps anyone that needs it. I have NEVER seen him act this way before.

Good idea Gomez, I think this would stop alot of. . . well what they call death loggers from logging off in combat. bom

If he has been a great player this post wouldn't have been up. I have always said that the players that act like a saints are the one breaking the rules most. I could have made screenshots of him doing that stuff and when he was hiding behind a rock sniping rainbow while the dragon couldn't get to him. It was just standing still accepting his arrows and his health slowly running down. The same with him running through the pirate island and dragons just to get to the rainbow.

It's just sad how these good players love breaking the rules. It isn't the first time i cought these players not playing according to the rules and they do know who they are.

Let me tell you one thing... Being a good player doesn't mean anything in the game world. I can be really helpfull at one time and I can be really naughty if it is required or i do feel like it.

The only players that does follow the rules and doesn't show off to be good is Pugz, Werehound The rest of the players are corrupted in one or another way and they want to be seen as a good players so they do what they do on the outside.
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Mon Sep 21 2009, 22:41

The only players that does follow the rules and doesn't show off to be good is Pugz, Werehound The rest of the players are corrupted in one or another way and they want to be seen as a good players so they do what they do on the outside.

Sorry but I have to take exception to your comment . I try very hard to be a good player and I'm not the only one .I kill all my spawns or die trying . So if you want to name names then try to get them all not just your friends. I know I'm not a great player never will be I can't build a toon worth a hoot ,but that's ok for me . I do play by the rules just like alot of other folks do . I know you have a problem with some of the other players but that doesn't make you rite all time time just like thier not rite all the time if we all just try to do our best we would have a great server . A little tolerance won't hurt anyone we all have our moods. You killed me on the old server, so ,I was there you were mad big whoopie I sure don't hate you for it, that would be stupid and childish. I had hoped with the new server it would be a new begining . Guess I was wrong same ole same ole rite.
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Mon Sep 21 2009, 23:54

well gpharo for 1 you werent thair so get bent !
2he attacked me while i was in a fight with his hand
3 kept coming back in to attack me
if you would actually take time to play in server you would see others rp and play game with out all the constant drama and whining !

Me and meng rped for weeks not one time did i cry like you about all the crystal death i got ! or go on forum to whine about any of it so grow up and just game ! dont come in same D as me and attack me i wont kill you i thought it was easy to understand server rules !!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Tue Sep 22 2009, 00:23

Oh replay, same old thing like on kt1 from you. . . (Saints) you have a lot of room to talk here.

Yes, Gomez you guys did and it was nice to see something like this in game, not this mess telling others they are bad players.

Just like Crash said if we all just do our best this would be a great server, is that to much to ask?
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Tue Sep 22 2009, 00:59

Comment to the rest:
sorry to dissapoint you but you are wrong. There are times i want to pvp and there are times i rp. I dont' care about your hatred because if i want pvp i have to take on someone. Can't pvp with monsters right?

Yesterday i log on after 3 months or so.... and i went to the dragon lands as i read on the forums its under development and guess what i see??? Eddie van Arrow leaving all spawns i mentioned and hiding behind a rock so rainbow doesn't reach him. I just mentioned this situation on shout and he started attacking me and dziki, but since he couldn't kill us even switching to his char with rusty/pally items which he got from hell he was using the crystals. I don't have any item from d16 and i dont cry... i have killed vile king with set of might and blessed set on 4chars before the summer vacation.
So what am i to say when i come back from my vacation time back to KT and a thing like this takes place...

I'll also add that i have cought you good players cheating not once or twice, but couple of times so you ain't telling me you do play with the rules. You just do good deeds so no one would think and show it off, but pugz doesn't do anything like this, he plays what he plays and doesnt show it off, that's the way it should be.

How many times have i helped others with stuff or dungeons or anything else? but no one sees it because i do play pvp. if you don't like me pvping or anyone else ask DM to forbid PVP. I already said i don't care about yours opinions so i play what i want to play, unless you get a dm abilities to stop me in the battle.

I'll stop at this.

Sarah i think i know the reason why the stances cancel if you drink healing or restoration potions. Potion of healing is now like a healing spell, it used to be unique power and thats why it didnt cancel no stances earlier. Restioration potion used to be and is acting like a spell thats why it cancels any stance. So because these potions act like if you were casting spells they do cancel expertise.
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By default, NWN allows spellcasting while using expertise. However, BioWare included a switch to disable it via scripting using spellhooking.
quoted it from [url=nwn.wikia.com]http://nwn.wikia.com/wiki/Expertise[/url]

I am not replying to the following posts so type what you want because if i start reading i will want to reply to them most likely lol! affraid
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Tue Sep 22 2009, 01:34

I guess when u kill one of the weaks players on the server (which is me by the way )that makes u a strong rp pvp bad guy lol u r pityful
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Tue Sep 22 2009, 01:36

I rest my case! Crash. cherry
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Tue Sep 22 2009, 01:55

U have never caught me doing anything wrong so don't come up with that and if u think u did show me a screen shot other wise keep it to ur self . I don't make accusations without something to bk it up they call that slander . I guess there is no way what ever to reason with u . U ,ur bro,and ur friends don't own the server as I seem to recall Sarah is the DM and calls the shots if she sees fit to "forgive" Eddie for his transgressions I don't c why u can't. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Tue Sep 22 2009, 02:53

rules are rules. Sarah haven't made these rules to be broken like these people do. I just posted here what i saw and you all seem to reject this fact.

Anyways i don't know you crash and don't remember you so shut it. Also i don't recalling killing weak players( weak ones are the ones that are much lower lvls than yourself) if you are attacking someone fairy to your lvl its called fair pvp. So now if you don't like someone pk'ing go to the DM and tell him to forbid PVP and stop it. I posted this for Sarah to see what is wrong on KTII, not for you to whine about whatever you are.

Now, if you can't accept i reported someone for doing what he did. Also, i do know and i don't post this to make someone getting banned because I am not crash or Dark, sorry to dissapoint you. I just reported this thing has taken place and if possible to fix it so this kind of thing doesn't take place anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Tue Sep 22 2009, 04:57

i can say this about my family. we are all decient players that follow the rules and try to help others. we dont use exploits. and pvp is part of the server. it keeps things exciting. when im having a bad day i wont think twice about killing someone just cuz i feel like it. ask around lol. if sarah took out the pvp aspect oof this server it would get boring. as everyone knows i get along with every one. hey i got an idea. if u have a problem with someone in the server let yer sword take care of it instead of it resulting in 2 pages of nonsence on the forums lol.
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PostSubject: Harrasment   Tue Sep 22 2009, 05:15

Poor little boy crying to mommy again. Im sorry but I have kept quiet far too long.
Pharoh does not play on this server but very rarely and when ever he plays on your Server Sarah he gives all the players hell and then cries to you. We the players that have stuck it out thru all the changes wether we liked or disliked them are getting things removed to make it harder on us all because of people like pharoh and dziki. They seldom play and when they do they start shit with the regular daily players then when we fight back they go crying to you. I say it is your server and make it the way you want if they dont like it they can play elsewhere. You dont have time for this petty BS.
As far as playing by the rules Gomez El Gabardine Meng Dark Lumpy Pugz and myself always play by the rules. Before pharoh and his crew came on U didnt have to listen to this stuff. Its time to put the blame where it is deserved.
I love your server and if anyone doesnt like what i said oh well truth hurts dont it. If you dont want the players to come after you then treat them the right way. Pharoh and his gang can dish it out to us but if we fight back they go crying to you just like they did on the other server. I have said whats on my mind like it or leave it Pharoh.
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Tue Sep 22 2009, 07:10

eloquently put Fossil 101 lol!
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PostSubject: Re: harassment   Tue Sep 22 2009, 08:34

I've sat out of this for FAR too long.

This was JUST a simple thread to report El Gabardine's poor behavior, and now it's an oubliette for people's misguided fantasies. I've done nothing against the rules, nor have I "given everybody crap" as fossil101 put it: in fact, according to "gramma", everyone on the server, save herself and those she listed, gives everybody else crap, because her clique is the only group that behaves.

I beg to differ.

Your insecurity and arrogance disgusts me.

Just look at what you've typed.

Could you sound more self-righteous?

You are extremely erroneous, fossil101. Most of the people you listed are your own family members, and I expect you to say that about them:

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Gomez El Gabardine Meng Dark Lumpy Pugz

And two of them hardly obey every rule, all the time.

Two of them recently accused me of exploiting for doing nothing illegal. In fact, one of them WAS exploiting as he was insulting me.

Gomez not only attacked me in D15, but after multiple times of trying to administer justice, started taunting me in the shout channel. I finaly killed him, and he was sent to jail, only to bump himself through the doors in Jail and escape before his timer was up (He was a Fighter Bard RDD, hardly a class to have 60+ Open Lock skill to open the doors) and attack me again.
So I sent him back to jail.
And he escaped again.
And the sequence went on for about 4 times, until he gave up, and had Pugz accuse me of exploiting over the shout channel, instead of asking me what I was doing.
Then, not only was it claimed I was cheating in sending him to jail, but I was hacking so he couldn't attack me.
It took the two 45 minutes before they'd let me prove how I was besting them.

Of your list of "saints", the only ones I have seen to behave decently over the past few days are: Dark, Meng (haven't seen at all), and Lumpy (don't know who that is), two of which I haven't seen in the week I've been playing.


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